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Discussion Tournament Changes (post-release)
- Thread starter Marindor
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So i tested this for you guys
this is my province 12 (round 1)
terrain is looking ok:
and my autofight also ok (big losses but still won).
Round 2 and 3 have similar result.
So im gonna need a bit more specifics if theres actually a bug there. What are your 3 bonusses?
Can you post a a picture of your map when you do manual? I'm thinking it might have something to do with the impossible terrain.
this is my province 12 (round 1)
terrain is looking ok:
and my autofight also ok (big losses but still won).
Round 2 and 3 have similar result.
So im gonna need a bit more specifics if theres actually a bug there. What are your 3 bonusses?
Can you post a a picture of your map when you do manual? I'm thinking it might have something to do with the impossible terrain.
Alcaro
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I did it auto, I have 1 UUU, 1 MMM, 1 ELR and a fed Fire Phoenix, fully leveled. I will pay more attention on 3rd round and take some screenshots.
Any additional informations you need, please tell us. Thank you for your time @Kersepitje
Any additional informations you need, please tell us. Thank you for your time @Kersepitje
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marcovaldo19
Well-Known Member
I only have a very low phoenix tomorrow i'll post the terrain, but on second round, a lot o lossoes but could win. To me it's the first round the problem, the following rounds it's hard but duable. sorry i don't have previous week history, and I'm italian so it's quite hard for me understand what UUU ELR and such sort of names mean.
Well I can already tell you that for each province there is 1 layout now, so 1 star or 6 stars, the map layout is always the same. So if you encounter an impossible to (auto)fight layout, you will encounter it at each star level for that province. That might explain why you loose at the same province every time.I did it auto, I have 1 UUU, 1 MMM, 1 ELR and a fed Fire Phoenix. I will pay more attention on 3rd round and take some screenshots.
Any additional informations you need, please tell us. Thank you for your time @Kersepitje
This is intentional, so you can also use this to your benefit. No need to scout the province each time at a different star level, if you remember the layout from star 1
Pauly7
Well-Known Member
Thanks @Kersepitje. I will keep an eye on it in subsequent rounds, but I don't suspect there's any bug.
Alcaro
Well-Known Member
Cool tip!!! I will remember it and share it with my guildies! Love you gal!
CrazyWizard
Well-Known Member
So now I have beside manual fighting also make screenshots of each battle in the first round tot rememeber te maps *facepalms*
Can we please have the 4 battles back instead of this 1 battle nonsense that takes more time than the old way and is worse than a poison apple.
edeba
Well-Known Member
I am checking out the English server and this one comment is right on:
Challenging things are good.We play Elvenar for those challenging things that we get only here.So don't take the main part away Inno.If it isn't challenging anymore,I don't find a reason to play.So don't make it impossible,if possible more challenging.
I think that comment really hits the nail on the head, it isn't that it is more challenging, it is that it is impossible...
You want to make it a challenge and motivating, it needs a far more gradual difficulty steepness. I'm still advocating for my proposal of going up by 8% between levels and just 2% per province, and starting somewhat easier.
This new tournament is just slam into a wall.
Also saw someone comment that they put down 2 more military boosts and only managed 4 more provinces with heavy losses... That's pathetic...
Challenging things are good.We play Elvenar for those challenging things that we get only here.So don't take the main part away Inno.If it isn't challenging anymore,I don't find a reason to play.So don't make it impossible,if possible more challenging.
I think that comment really hits the nail on the head, it isn't that it is more challenging, it is that it is impossible...
You want to make it a challenge and motivating, it needs a far more gradual difficulty steepness. I'm still advocating for my proposal of going up by 8% between levels and just 2% per province, and starting somewhat easier.
This new tournament is just slam into a wall.
Also saw someone comment that they put down 2 more military boosts and only managed 4 more provinces with heavy losses... That's pathetic...
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DeletedUser332
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Wouldn't 'impossible' mean that there's no way to progress at all? I think calling it more challenging is totally accurate. What's also accurate is that players expect to be able to continue to complete 60+ provinces to 6 rounds every week, and that's clearly not what this new system is designed around. So yes, accomplishing what these players used to is now (realistically) 'impossible' but not the system as a whole.
With how military boost work, this isn't too surprising. To put it as simply as possible, increasing the sage your units deal doesn't matter if they can already kill their targets in one hit. Likewise, extra health only matters if it helps your units survive an extra attack.
spennyit
Well-Known Member
You are right about 60+ to 6 stars, but starting to lose encounters at 12 at 1 star ... maybe it is a "little" too early ;-) This without counting that there are players that:
- don't have Fire Phoenix
- don't have Brown Bear
- cannot afford putting down every week DA, UUU, ELR, MM, ...
- cannot combat manually
Making it a "little" more difficult/challenging, may be acceptable: the problem is that they should find with the players a "common understanding" about how much is a "little". For the time being they are very far ;-)
BTW, there is a general marketing "law" that says that if you produce something that people don't want, people will not pay for it ;-) And another that says that it is quite more "difficult" to get back upset customers, that to maintain them ;-)
edeba
Well-Known Member
Yup, it is way too steep...
And with our strong player that we lost, well, he deleted everything and he gave away all of his goods. He's never coming back... He is forever gone cash flow...
galrond
Well-Known Member
well it´s not the first time someone ragequit. Check out Songu on elvenstats/arcitect. It´s been that way for years.....
Ppl quit for many reasons.
This may be the final straw, but the urge to quit was there already.
Why else delete all your buildings?
It´s kinda like, when an alcoholic or smoker toss away all their booze/tobacco, to avoid temptation. (no other parallels intended)
Not many ppl would start playing again after destroying their city.
If they do they´ll feel EXTREAMLY stupid (or just have too much money)
Aeva
Well-Known Member
I actually destroyed the same city twice to the point of no return (only the 5 buildings you cannot delete). That was what I intended. And here I am... not stupid, no money spend. Just made a very different city with a very different goal.
galrond
Well-Known Member
My apoligies Aeva
Ofc. there´s still the joy of building up a new city, and see the progresion every time you log in
I never wanted to imply, that anyone was stupid.
I just think it´s a waste, and that I would feel stupid.
If I wanted that "new city" feeling, then I would make a new city
I enjoy seeing my BETA city grow.
I´ll never spend any real money on it.
I´ll never want any pushing given to it.
Its purpose is:
- making me able to write on forum
- see what´s comming before it hits live
- try how far/fast you can go without unfair help, or spending money (my live cities can/must satisfy any "hard-core" tendencies)
Deleted User - 81190
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We won't even see any impact until Sunday, when the new Spire starts.
spennyit
Well-Known Member
Yes, but does it mean that they are not changing the formula anymore? If this is the case, what's the purpose of doing the test on EN server? Just to upset players?
Deleted User - 81190
Guest
Remember, there are several formulas. It is indeed strange as to why would they deploy these changes to all live servers now. The justification for the changes were the tournament changes that were supposed to be still work-in-progress. So why would they drop it on live outside of EN, where it will impact only the Spire, and will do it right away? Inno works in mysterious ways...
This might indicate that this part of changes is basically final. There are still levers that they can adjust on Beta and EN that would impact tournament only (if that is even part of the plan). That would be province ramp-up with respect to what I call city advancement level (CAL) model. This is the one that has expansions and AW levels etc as inputs, and is shared with the Spire. Province ramp up is independent from that.
Dony
King of Bugs
thats how it works from tournament origins last 4 years in every version we had
every time your army was wiped out on any map it was expected to happen in every other round aswell
spire works exactly the same, all 3 stages maps has only 16 battlefield maps total
in most cases it will lower difficulty for everybody, only cases where it will actually be harder is for players on the end tech tree with 8 or lower number of premium expansions, which will be very little number of players
so overall players will benefit from it even if its for spire only yet
and what a great way to start testing new tournament on EN with hardest type of tournament yet
i hope mistwalkers will wipe out all 3 EN servers so something can finally be done