Discussion The Cauldron

[Enevhar Aldarion]

So to get Mercenary Camp units health increase I need to finish at least chapter 17 (now I have only 3 first effects available due to optional techs not being researched)

Well, I will never get that one on Beta, or the ones for chapter 16, because I am not wasting KP and resources just to complete the Wonder researches for those two chapters.

As for available effects, I put one of each of the ingredients into the Cauldron and it showed me 15 possible boosts, which looks to be how many I have unlocked with chapters 1-15 fully researched.

 

[Amy Steele]

I can improve effects:

Such as done by the Barracks Units Strength Increase:

But it has currently no effect at all.
Probably because i was not lucky to receive any effect.

Will the increase stay anyway at this level for ever or will this be vanished every week?

As Vaeri has said in the announcement, the Study phase influences what happens in the next Brewing phase:

the Studying Phase prepares you for the next Brewing Phase to come!
While studying, you can improve the potion effects you can create by brewing permanently. Learning how a potion works will give you the possibility of increasing its maximum duration and boost value, so be sure to study! Whenever you brew your next potion, the improved values will be visible in the effects forecast.

 

[Heymrdiedier]

List of all currently available effects (I'm too lazy to convert icon id into full human readable description, but IMHO their names are self-explanatory):

Source	Name	iconId
pe_301	Magical Tax Increase	money
pe_302	Supply Surplus Spell	supplies
pe_303	General's Mayhem	hb_strength
pe_304	Trader's Basic Plea	goods_standard_basic
pe_305	Trader's Refined Plea	goods_standard_refined
pe_306	Trader's Precious Plea	goods_standard_precious
pe_307	Monsters' Mayhem	tg_strength
pe_308	Gift of the High Men	portal_production
pe_309	Horde Uprising	orcs
pe_310	Enar's Boon	mana
pe_311	Mercenaries' Mayhem	mc_strength
pe_312	Harvest Moon	seeds
pe_313	Trader's Basic Prayer	goods_sentient_basic
pe_314	Trader's Refined Prayer	goods_sentient_refined
pe_315	Trader's Precious Prayer	goods_sentient_precious
pe_316	Monsters' Morale Boost	tg_health
pe_317	Mercenaries' Morale Boost	mc_health
pe_318	Unur's Resurgence	unurium
pe_319	Trader's Basic Blessing	goods_ascended_basic
pe_320	Trader's Refined Blessing	goods_ascended_refined
pe_321	Trader's Precious Blessing	goods_ascended_precious
pe_322	General's Morale Boost	hb_health

So to get Mercenary Camp units health increase I need to finish at least chapter 17 (now I have only 3 first effects available due to optional techs not being researched)

now that's interesting to know, so what if we intentionally not do a chapter completly anymore, because we don't want the effects we get later on (since they reduce the chance of an effect we do want?)

Is this list in order then?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Is this list in order then?

Yes, they are numbered 1-22, one for each chapter of the game, plus the ones for chapter 21 and 22.

 

[Jammin]

Here's my take on why the cauldron isn't really attractive for two reasons, and much hype about nothing.
On the one hand, the items collected by the sorceress cannot be saved/transferred to the next week, which means that some items always cost diamonds.

The problem here is the benefit for the used diamonds.
Let's assume the ideal case that you have found out the 2-3+ potions that are most interesting for you. The fact that you still have to strengthen these potions we leave out.

I strongly assume that you won't get with a handful of items a more damage or more life potion, for example.
So you will have to invest diamonds for items if you want to create your favorite potion.

Any tournament player will realize that with as little as 50 Diamonds or Sip of Clarity you can spin the Academy and also get a Tournament Booster that lasts 5 days.

I can't say at this point how many diamonds it will cost to make weekly just one favorite potion, but my guess is it will be more than expected.

The cauldron doesn't really look like an advantage to me at the moment, but rather a black hole.

 

[Arthus]

Isn't critical effect cost a lot too high?

around 160k spell fragments to have 50% of chance of triggering critical on a single potion?
I would say that having more than 1 million spell fragments overall is a highly end-game thing, and i doubt someone would lose their entire ammount on 6-7 potions

 

[Prueba2]

Ok, strange that standard (T1/T2/T3) and sentient (S1/S2/S3) got splitted while being treated as a whole in:

• Mountain Halls, Aureate Phoenix,
• D111-a "Timewarp", Vortex of Storage,
• Tree of Enlightenment,

So, with the maximum 5 goblets per week, a battling player could activate 5/6 posssible battling effects (*) while a catering player could activate 5/9 possible production effects (3xstandard+orcs+mana+seeds+3xsentients=9 // disregarding gold and tools)

I had hoped for some effects boosting Spells (Power of Provisions, ...) or affecting Wholesaler, reducing Tournament time, Catering costs, recovering Squads...
Something more strategic?

The effects are similar to Ancient Wonders but not alike at all ...

(*): Depeding on the type ot units, not that it would be really necessary to activate all 5 of them...

EDIT: Yes, Units also got splitted among their building....

 

[Biloutte91]

And if you have not completed ALL the research off the chapters of ascended goods so ........ you have not this

i'm here of the chapter XIX but I have not completed all the research of all the chapter

 

[Karvest]

Announcement states that you can get up to 5 goblets a week, and should use all of them as they are not carried to next week. At the same time it states that you can get 10 active effects. + I have 9 goblets for now.
So questions:
1.Goblets from tournament stay between weeks if not used or we just got more for testing purposes this week?
2.Each goblet can activate more than one effect or we need 10 goblets to activate 10 announced effects?

 

[Mykan]

Two questions I couldn't see explained/answered:

1. Is there a cap on the level of studying?
2. Is there a reset for studying like with FS perks where full investment is refunded and can be spent again in a different fashion? Having a free reset every x months would be really good so you could change your mind or approach to your town

 

[Jammin]

And if you have not completed ALL the research off the chapters of ascended goods so ........ you have not this

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i'm here of the chapter XIX but I have not completed all the research of all the chapter

You should ask yourself if you need all these potion diplomas at all... do you really want to invest resources and diamonds to get a potion for a higher production of goods for a few hours ?

 

[tradescantia]

Do you have to use all your goblets at once? Surely not? But after I used one, I can't get rid of the "bottom's up" screen.

 

[tradescantia]

nvm - I see the discussion in the bug report thread. This is very stupid.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Do you have to use all your goblets at once? Surely not? But after I used one, I can't get rid of the "bottom's up" screen.

Once you brew a potion, you cannot make another one until next week and can only drink the one you made with your goblets.

 

[Biloutte91]

You should ask yourself if you need all these potion diplomas at all... do you really want to invest resources and diamonds to get a potion for a higher production of goods for a few hours ?

No, of course, but I would like to be able to use the one from chapter XVIII (ascended goods) and for the moment i can't

 

[Jammin]

No, of course, but I would like to be able to use the one from chapter XVIII (ascended goods) and for the moment i can't

So if you haven't completed a research field in previous chapters, you don't get the diplomas for the potions for the other chapters, even though all research there has been completed?

 

[Lelanya]

Well at least cauldron will strike a bit against these players who deliberately chose not to complete optional squad increase technologies to have advantage in tournaments. I already like how this function looks. We just need more time to understand it.

And if there's someone with all technologies in game done, please share all possible effects if you could, please.

I might know someone, but his city is on live.

 

[Biloutte91]

So if you haven't completed a research field in previous chapters, you don't get the diplomas for the potions for the other chapters, even though all research there has been completed?

Yes

i am in the chapter XIX (not completed)

Standard goods

Sentient goods

but not ascended goods

and i need some ^^ ascended goods for the chapter XIX and XX

 

[Moncsociusz]

Hi guys! I'm a phone user only. Is there a possibility to check my potion effects somehow after I drank it. I know I had a critical obe, but forgot it already and in the cauldron window I only see the study room and the counter until reset. Thank you!

 

[Alcaro]

So if you haven't completed a research field in previous chapters, you don't get the diplomas for the potions for the other chapters, even though all research there has been completed?

Yes

I'm not sure if I'm correct but:
- I am in the middle of ch.20 > we deduct 1 chapter
- I have 2 uncompleted techs in ch.16 > we deduct another chapter (you can see in my first screenshot, ch.17 it's ticked as completed)

This means I have 18 completed chapters.

In the MA, it appears I have 18 Research Diplomas.

My personal conclusion is if a chapter is completed it doesn't matter where is in the tech tree or if has before or after it an incomplete chapter. Once a chapter is completed and get it's green tick near the flag, it counts for diplomas.