DeletedUser1917
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Does this mean we no longer need the AW's?
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Request Inno to change back to old function of Great bell/crystal lighthouse
DeletedUser2028
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On both my cities, my AW is level 3. In beta I received 928 marble, gem, and crystal, a total of 2,779 goods. (And I had to spend time looking for the silly chest that I usually ignore as I do not need relics) awful time wasting low level return!!!
On the live server, I received 123 for every city I visited. my 24 FS garnered me 2,952 goods, and then I visited the 11 outerworld cities that visit me back and got another 1,353 goods for a total of 4,305. good return!!! and if I needed more goods, I could visit my almost 200 outer world cities and get a ton more goods.
On the live server, I received 123 for every city I visited. my 24 FS garnered me 2,952 goods, and then I visited the 11 outerworld cities that visit me back and got another 1,353 goods for a total of 4,305. good return!!! and if I needed more goods, I could visit my almost 200 outer world cities and get a ton more goods.
Jackluyt
Well-Known Member
1. I had two days to think this through - and I decided that the fair solution would be if the developers gave us on average 1 chest for every twenty visits.
Three basics in the first ten visits, as is the case now, to be fair to beginners - but thereafter, one chest for every 'x' number of visits.
That would mean that you would be rewarded proportionately to the amount you visit!
This is something I have wanted since the Chests were introduced - and now there is a good reason to implement it!!
Also perhaps a random Mystery Chest every now and then - with perhaps an extraordinary (rare) prize, or, most often, something common and plain - or even a booby prize...
2. I would like to post a survey on how people feel this idea - and let people answer whether the statement that 'most people do not visit for the Goods' is true or not.
It is certainly not true for me! I often visit 200 people on the map to gain Goods...
Does anyone know how to do this?
In the Live Forums you can post an opinion-poll survey under Discussion - but here for some reason that is not possible.
I once posted a similar survey in Ideas & Suggestions, which was the only place that allows polls - and it got deleted, because it was neither a an Idea nor a Suggestion...
Three basics in the first ten visits, as is the case now, to be fair to beginners - but thereafter, one chest for every 'x' number of visits.
That would mean that you would be rewarded proportionately to the amount you visit!
This is something I have wanted since the Chests were introduced - and now there is a good reason to implement it!!
Also perhaps a random Mystery Chest every now and then - with perhaps an extraordinary (rare) prize, or, most often, something common and plain - or even a booby prize...
2. I would like to post a survey on how people feel this idea - and let people answer whether the statement that 'most people do not visit for the Goods' is true or not.
It is certainly not true for me! I often visit 200 people on the map to gain Goods...
Does anyone know how to do this?
In the Live Forums you can post an opinion-poll survey under Discussion - but here for some reason that is not possible.
I once posted a similar survey in Ideas & Suggestions, which was the only place that allows polls - and it got deleted, because it was neither a an Idea nor a Suggestion...
DeletedUser2028
Guest
I really think you have a great idea Jacki. I feel the the treasure chests should be more random (not the first 4 cities we visit) and there should be way more than 3. The prizes they give are sad. Once you max out on production boosts. you don't need more relics.. yet .. relics are the premier item in chests, tourneys, etc. That is sad because there are so many more things that could be awarded that would not cost Inno a thing. the occasional 3 diamonds, a rune, 5 diamonds, a building, etc. (I could go on and point out so many things given in so many games over the years... some I still play and enjoy for the fun and gifts) I am seriously considering selling my AW's. they now just take up space that is so dang valuable and while the side art building on the edge of the screen is nice, it does nothing and I can live without it. I truly believe that Inno needs to hire some people that are a bit more mature.. 12 year olds just don't get a lot of the "how to keep players" and while it may not be the actual age of some of the developers.. it seems to be the maturity level. My niece is a game developer for disney and I moan and groan to her. and she pats me on my flat head and tells me.. find a game you like. lol It may be time to take her advice.
SoggyShorts
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DeletedUser2028
Guest
it is sad... well no.. it is beyond sad and on to disgusting. We purchased an item in good faith to do certain things... now Inno decides they no longer wish to abide by their decision and change the rules to benefit no one but Inno. Nasty and unethical to be sure.. but.. it is to be expected of Inno. this group does not worry if people agree or like them... they only build a game to try and sell to a company and build their brand. Inno only cares about Inno's ratings with development companies. players have no importance. My niece is a game developer for Disney.. and they buy games all the time for a lot of reasons.. mostly various technology or graphics...... so.... really it is for players.. what to do.. do we quit.. do we slog along... do we continue to struggle for change?
DeletedUser1025
Guest
I suggested the same in the other thread, with the difference of "every 10 visits". That would correspond to the proclaimed 10 times difference introduced.
Also, I would recommend to put the CHESTS IN ONE PLACE ONLY. Looking for them at the edges ot the town is a nightmare, especially when you are in the middle of some event and do not want to collect production early.
DeletedUser2028
Guest
I am getting more and more discouraged with this stupidity. I'm losing goods. I build a building on the premise that it would produce a certain amount of goods. This is similar to playing monopoly with my brothers. they change the rules to suit them every time we play in order to make sure they "win". Cheating players of a good faith "agreement" (we build this building and we get such and such return) in order to make tracking easier for you is a total crock.
DeletedUser283
Guest
originally, I built the CL because it did lengthen the help duration (tough neighbourhoods, blah blah blah);
I got the goods as a bonus
I still hold to the CL for the first reason, because culture is using a lot of space and I wish to make the best use of the help I receive;
it is just a tad less valuable
now don't get me wrong here, I still feel that I lost something because of the change, and this 3rd magic dust manufactory is now on the radar screen
I got the goods as a bonus
I still hold to the CL for the first reason, because culture is using a lot of space and I wish to make the best use of the help I receive;
it is just a tad less valuable
now don't get me wrong here, I still feel that I lost something because of the change, and this 3rd magic dust manufactory is now on the radar screen
Lissona
Well-Known Member
majority of players on the forum != majority of players in game
slowly I think it's time to stop reading and discussing at the forums...
SoggyShorts
Well-Known Member
Or you can learn how to recognize sarcasm
On a side note though, I think forum players are at least somewhat representative of the playerbase.
Many of us represent at least our own fellowships views.
Lissona
Well-Known Member
No, they are not. They represent themselves and the people they communicate a lot in their fellowship or with their friends. Still not any representation of the majority.
And: most people argue because of personal feelings or what they hear and read (e.g. "tear down the shitty lighthouse, not worth anything - or mountain halls is much better") - did the majority on the forums really calculate the changes/benefits/losses/whatever or is it just because it feels like that or the mainstream on the forums is like that? You asked me if I had read the comment of "dontknowthenameanymore" regarding Mountain Halls being superior to Light House. I did read it, I put in my numbers and for me and my situation LH is still better than MH. Why? Do the math...
To be clear: if anyone does 200+ NH visits a day (or spend 2 hours buffing NH), the LH change clearly will have a negative impact. But as in every other online game, things change and sometimes I will lose and sometimes I will win ... Clever people will adapt to the new rules an get the best out of it… But: do you really want to tell me, that the average player is doing 200+ visits /2+ hours buffing?
SoggyShorts
Well-Known Member
Certainly not, but those players are giving a nice boost to newer smaller players that might help with player retention, and should be rewarded for that level of effort. Whether coins is enough of a reward is debatable.
Perhaps I missed it, did you share that math with us? Wouldn't an example like yours help move the conversation forward?
DeletedUser283
Guest
just like someone decribed earlier, I help my entire fellowship, then I return help to everyone I can find in the history (this includes those who accepted my trades);
approx. 40 visits
am I loosing goods now ? well certainly, a little;
it's been ages since I last visited my entire neighbourhood, which is quite large at 400+ conquered provinces;
last time was when researching and laying down a city expansion entirely depleted my gold
I am not satisfied by the change, though, it has been made in a cheap manner and does not fit its purpose;
if some players are able to visit their entire neighbourhood and gain the correponding gold, why should they not get the goods as well? I have nothing against it;
another thing that I don(t appreciate is the way goods are given now : the best solution would have been :
-1st chest, basic goods
-2nd chest : crafted goods
-3rd chest : magical goods
... instead of stupidly randomizing it
there are too many things that are randomized in this game, and it leads me to thinking that maybe the game devs just cannot make up their minds, and randomize instead of taking decisions
so what could be a better solution ?
the first issue is that obviously game devs consider that helping 6 people is way enough
because this is what it takes to get 3 chests
if I wanted to follow their logic, I would go to my fellowship and help fellows until I get that 3rd chest, and then stop there because I do not get rewards anymore;
heh, before the change, I got goods for every player I helped, so no goods, no help
is this what you want, Inno ?
the best idea is to give us more chests, so that we are enticed to give help to a larger group of people;
it seems that the theory of games is unknown territory for these guys
approx. 40 visits
am I loosing goods now ? well certainly, a little;
it's been ages since I last visited my entire neighbourhood, which is quite large at 400+ conquered provinces;
last time was when researching and laying down a city expansion entirely depleted my gold
I am not satisfied by the change, though, it has been made in a cheap manner and does not fit its purpose;
if some players are able to visit their entire neighbourhood and gain the correponding gold, why should they not get the goods as well? I have nothing against it;
another thing that I don(t appreciate is the way goods are given now : the best solution would have been :
-1st chest, basic goods
-2nd chest : crafted goods
-3rd chest : magical goods
... instead of stupidly randomizing it
there are too many things that are randomized in this game, and it leads me to thinking that maybe the game devs just cannot make up their minds, and randomize instead of taking decisions
so what could be a better solution ?
the first issue is that obviously game devs consider that helping 6 people is way enough
because this is what it takes to get 3 chests
if I wanted to follow their logic, I would go to my fellowship and help fellows until I get that 3rd chest, and then stop there because I do not get rewards anymore;
heh, before the change, I got goods for every player I helped, so no goods, no help
is this what you want, Inno ?
the best idea is to give us more chests, so that we are enticed to give help to a larger group of people;
it seems that the theory of games is unknown territory for these guys
edeba
Well-Known Member
You need relics to make spells. Speak for yourself, but I consider the relic prizes in the tournament extremely important. You are under utilizing the usefulness of spells to suggest this, which is your choice. Granted, I don't need the relics from all types of tournaments at the levels we get them, but I play the tournament extra strong just for the relics where I use them the most for spells and I keep my magic shop going 24/7. Everyone has different usefulness for spells based on their boosts, so there is no one better relic that serves all. Obviously this feature of the game isn't important to you, but it is very important to players who use the benefits of the magic shop and I would appreciate not trashing an important feature of the game.
DeletedUser2028
Guest
I have several hundred of each relic. and I make spells all the time. We get tons of them in tournaments, clearing provinces, and in events. There are a lot of better things we can get in place of being force fed relics. but I digress.
My request for INNO... Since you have destroyed the value of the CL and BS AW's, at least put the stupid chest in one place so we don't have to hunt for the stupid thing to get the measly goods you deem is all we are worth. The chest is ignored by so many because we don't waste time looking all over for it due to the low return of the "prize" Now in order to get the few measly goods you grant us we have to hunt all over for the stupid chest. Why yes, I am ticked off. what gave it away?????
edeba
Well-Known Member
Good point... The wasted time fixing the "bug" that had chest in one place for a couple weeks a few months back. I don't like the confusion over bugs and game improvements, the chest in one place was a game improvement, not a bug.
I am very disappointed they did not listen to feedback at all on this issue.
I am very disappointed they did not listen to feedback at all on this issue.
DeletedUser607
Guest
in my opinion, it's now even weirder.
has anyone read the text? the person whom you've visited is thankfull... and hides a chest somewhere on the city grounds. true, that's a very nice behavior. next time I order a pizza, I'll tell the delivery guy, that I've hidden his payment somewhere in the garden. oh, it was in the squirrel nest 5m up in the tree, who would have guessed that.