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Discussion Winter Magic

Kersepitje

QA Moderator
Elvenar Team
I just reshuffled but got no reward
could you explain what happened?
Either you found a reshuffle in one of the gifts, and you should have gotten an hammer and some ribbons for it.
Or the day past and all the prizes reset (because of new daily) so then you get a free shuffle.

Did you encounter something else, that might be a bug then.
 

cestbienmoi

Well-Known Member
So the change was they removed the relics, that's it. ALL THE REST JUST GARBAGE!!
Know what? I'm done! Beta is useless. Its just us talking to the walls.
Christmas is supposed to be happy. THIS EVENT IS JUST HELL!
I hope no one spends any diamond on this lousy event.

Last event average chest costs 25, now 50.
Quests now give us less ribbons.
WTF?????

When you go listen to your players???? What a sh** company.
Don't come with.. ''Oh give us some constructive comments.'' THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS AND YOU JUST THREW THEM AWAY. THERE IS NO POINT THIS ANYMORE! I'M DONE! THIS GAME IS A COMPLETE JOKE!
I think you miss the same as me, i thinked you receive 1-3 hammers when you open a chest, but you receive always 1 hammer, and then the hammer gives 1-3 elements, thus it is not 50 => 1, but 50 => 1 => 1-3, in the past the cost was 20 (you choose always the best chest for GP) or 24 (best daily) (not the best strategies but this is extreme), now it is 25 (50/2 average) => little less artefacts for average player (but not sure, because there is threshold, in the bad case, only 6 artefacts).

Sure for the daily price and time reduction, it is major nerf (daily/2-4, time reduction/10-16), we come back from 3 years back in term of price, i think Germany anticipates the recession for 2020 !
The 2018 Christmas was absurd, the daily set was too powerfull, the 2017 Christmas was 10-15 winter stars and a super grand prize (the best building ever) (even the 1&2 are in the best pop buildings in the game) ... 2019 poor Christmas.

For active player, it is a massive nerf, 2 choices : return to the old/previous mode (3 years back) or change game ! Be carefull, 3 years back, the 3th grand prize was powerfull (not like now) but not guarantee to have.
 
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MinMax Gamer

Well-Known Member
little less artefacts for average player (but not sure, because there is threshold, in the bad case, only 6 artefacts).
You assume that gaining event currency in the last event is comparable with gaining event currency in the new event. It's hard for me to tell if the same amount of effort will yield comparable event currency numbers; if not, the expectation of outcomes will need to be adjusted for that.
 

Dony

King of Bugs
Not expecting to create excitement and engender activity is fine, but lets not pretend they don't want people to put extra effort into it. This is supposed to boost diamonds sales, not continue everything as normal.
if its not clear by now this event will yield them the least money from all events they have released up until now, just because it cant be more random then it is, if ppl want to play casino, they will go to play casino because there is a chance they can get some jackpot, but here there is no jackpot, just normal/average prizes
 

ashrem

Well-Known Member
if its not clear by now this event will yield them the least money from all events they have released up until now, just because it cant be more random then it is, if ppl want to play casino, they will go to play casino because there is a chance they can get some jackpot, but here there is no jackpot, just normal/average prizes
Yeah, I thought we were disagreeing, but now it appears we're not. The event is not worth putting extra work in for. I don't know why they thought we would. I guess some people can't help themselves, but it's one more nail in the coffin for me.
 

MinMax Gamer

Well-Known Member
gaining 20/quest is definitely not the same amount of effort...
It can be if quests are significantly easier, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Has anyone got to the bonus part, and can post some quest samples from there?

Speaking of quests, Research or 25 VV quests are going to be a yet another bummer. Research is out for end-game people, and 25VV is going to be harsh, especially on repeat. With scout alternative you could simply drop some timeboosts (quite a bit for some, but still), or you can get lucky and it would be close anyway. 15VV wasn't that bad either (keeping 1 pet food @ 7VV waiting meaning you only need to craft for 8VV when quest pops up).

But 25? I've seen more than on one occasion when all 5 recipes in MA amount for less than 10 VV; even if you still keep one PF waiting to collect, now you need to craft for another 18VV, which is more than 2x than before. In addition to time, crafting also takes other non-free resources such as fragments (OK, not a big deal) and catalysts (bigger deal). Going for 25 VV will also take timeboosts and potentially diamonds for refreshes, or it will take longer than scout alternative which is now gone. I am not even talking about targeting something that you want in the MA - these quests will be all about max amount/efficiency with respect to VV. So crafting some random junk because it yields high VV numbers (e.g. 100% coin rain instant for 6 catalysts just because it yields 15 VV - what a waste).
 

Kasia

Well-Known Member
Well, I don't find the substitution of KP or AW KP for relics particularly wonderful (I'd use a different word.)
I also find this quest quite problematic -
Research 1 Technology OR
Gain 15 Vision Vapor

VV depends on limited resources so this quest can be a huge roadblock for many players. Please consider adding a condition to it that is doable by all such as gaining spell fragments or a 1 day WS production run OR give us the option to skip the bloody quest.
 

MinMax Gamer

Well-Known Member
Example from our FS chat: Get 9h T1 5 times high lvl manufactories
Thanks, but I meant a slightly larger sample size ;) Basically, to see what quests are in rotation in the bonus section. 5x9h@leveledT1 sounds exactly like one of the quests in the infinite section of the last event, so they may have reused many of those. Which would make 20 points per quest quite miserable.
 

Betrinus

Well-Known Member
if its not clear by now this event will yield them the least money from all events they have released up until now, just because it cant be more random then it is, if ppl want to play casino, they will go to play casino because there is a chance they can get some jackpot, but here there is no jackpot, just normal/average prizes
I hope I'm wrong, but I think you're being way too optimistic.
 

LOKINHO

Active Member
This is already taking a very black tone ...
1.- Get the grand prize with its 10 evolutions? I still don't know how far the missions reach or the total red ribbon we can get ... but it is probably possible.
2.- Get daily prizes as before? IMPOSSIBLE! With the change that you have made, a player who, opening 10 gifts, obtains the daily prize and lowers again (it would already be very lucky that everything comes out in that order ...) will spend about 500 red ribbon per daily prize. Does this seem normal to you? It is a horrible change, horrible, painful, unfortunate and very sad for the players. I encourage EVERYONE not to spend a diamond PLEASE! When INNO sees that because of the disaster he has created, this Christmas Santa Claus takes him CARBON ... maybe he will rethink things ...
3.- Speaking of the daily prize, today, what is it, a joke? in the old system, 4x8h fungible of time, it was obtained with the chest of 85 ... at the end of an event, we all had valuable fungibles of this type, it was a magnificent chest. SURPRISE! Now we see it as a daily prize ?? !! Come on, that to get 4 daily prizes (that is, 16 fungibles of 8h) I need to be very lucky and spend 2000-3000 red ribbon ???!? !!!!! ???! YOU'RE CRAZY??
4.- The change that you have made for the cost of opening a gift, it would be good, if as I said, one of the gifts always had between 300-500 red bow, otherwise, lower to 50, it is A JOKE AND A VACILE .
Conclusion ... is INNO depleted of ideas, ignores the players who are the ones who "eat", no longer know what to create, how to create, or even repair a Christmas damage like this? Because this would be something serious ... The lack of ideas, makes mistakes of such size, the lack of creativity and response to such a problem, makes clear the low criteria of the creators or developers of events (and they say that they are also players ... well I don't believe it, because what they have done is to throw us all and eliminate this game forever)
In the absence of ideas, you have something that many companies already want, TO THE BUYERS saying a thousand options daily! And still, what do you do ?? Kick him in .... as an early Christmas gift !! CONGRATULATIONS!!
Since I started playing, just 2 years ago, I have only seen better elvenar, events, adventures, app ... and suddenly and with blow, with what you have done and created and that you maintain ... as if not we don't care about the players, I see little illusion, a reluctance, zero creativity, zero interest in our comments on how to improve and in general, 20 steps back ... pissed off as is logical to more than 80% of the players, something that doesn't It suits you at all, since your goal is to always have them happy to spend more and more!
If the beta is "advertising" for live worlds, (as ads are the best propaganda for Christmas people spend a lot of money) your marketing poster is a dagger in the heart, that everyone goes to hate, nobody will want to buy, even or participate ... It is so horrible that it is not worth it for the daily prizes, or for the grand prize, or for anything!
I am sorry to have these words so hard, critical but at the same time so true and real, but if you do not spoil yourself with a couple of smacks in time, you will destroy ELVENAR.
 

Kasia

Well-Known Member
Now, actually seeing the KP (and attempting to get my speed boosts) the KP of 1 or 2 is actually insulting. I'm sorry, the 'prizes' remain literally worthless for the amount of effort it takes to complete quests. Definitely not worth speedboosting to complete quests or anything else.