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Tournament squad size calc - we need your data!

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Deleted User - 81190

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Actually, there is one thing that occurred to me that may impact the numbers. While we got reasonably certain that data snap times for the Spire were close to the Spire start time (so likely from Saturday evening to Sunday morning US time), I don't know how it would work with the tournaments. It is possible that there is separate data snap for the tournaments, and it lines up with the tournament start (so Tuesday or so). But it is also possible that tournament shares the same snap time as the Spire (as they share the same underlying formula). This would mean that the data used for calculation could be from Sunday.

The main hypothesis is still that the data is taken at the beginning of the tournament. But just make a note if you've made any changes during the period after Spire starts but before tournament starts.
 

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PaNonymeB said:
I wonder why did you put a 0.58 factor between CAL and Spire SS, and didn't merge it with the constant factor in CAL.
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Variables are for ease of use. In case Inno rebalances, it’s easy to meddle with them.
Even Cal is an intermediate variable that gets lost into the formula / end result.
 

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PaNonymeB said:
I wonder why did you put a 0.58 factor between CAL and Spire SS, and didn't merge it with the constant factor in CAL.
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Probably because base SS was not a primary variable for them to begin with. I think that they started to work with was catering costs, and then backed out squad sizes.
 

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MinMax Gamer said:
Probably because base SS was not a primary variable for them to begin with. I think that they started to work with was catering costs, and then backed out squad sizes.
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I'm a bit confused... isn't it a formula you found ? So who are "they" that told you to define CAL=SSS/0.58 then instead of simply CAL = SSS or TSS or with a factor that avoids having a 0.6887 factor in CAL ?
 

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PaNonymeB said:
I'm a bit confused... isn't it a formula you found ? So who are "they" that told you to define CAL=SSS/0.58 then instead of simply CAL = SSS or TSS or with a factor that avoids having a 0.6887 factor in CAL ?
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That would be game developers. As I mentioned, there is a CAL number out there if you know where to look.
 

Enevhar Aldarion

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MinMax Gamer said:
The main hypothesis is still that the data is taken at the beginning of the tournament. But just make a note if you've made any changes during the period after Spire starts but before tournament starts.
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I am guessing you have worked this out by now, but I completed stuff in between start of Spire and start of Tournament and the starting Spire squad equals my tournament squad for province 5 - star 1: 187 for Spire and 188 for tournament. Is that what it is still supposed to do?
 

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Enevhar Aldarion said:
I am guessing you have worked this out by now, but I completed stuff in between start of Spire and start of Tournament and the starting Spire squad equals my tournament squad for province 5 - star 1: 187 for Spire and 188 for tournament. Is that what it is still supposed to do?
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Unless there were some pretty massive changes in these 2 days, with such a small base it would be hard to make a conclusive determination.
 
palmira

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If it helps, I have 259 AW levels, 133 expansions, all mandatory research done, maximum boosts and this is my first province. The costs for catering are 25k supplies, 2,4k silk and 5k mana. Your spreadsheet predicts a SS of 908, so not bad but not on spot:)

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palmira said:
Yep, all my expansions
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Yeah, but how many of 133 are premium? What's your next premium expansion cost?

This is a pretty huge difference you're reporting, so I suspect data input problem.
 
CrazyWizard

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MinMax Gamer said:
Yeah, but how many of 133 are premium? What's your next premium expansion cost?

This is a pretty huge difference you're reporting, so I suspect data input problem.
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Question how does the bonus works?
Does it also include the bonus from mountain halls? does mountain halls actually make your spire / tournament harder? or is it capped at 700%
If not darn mountain halls would be one sour deal.
 
palmira

palmira

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MinMax Gamer said:
Yeah, but how many of 133 are premium? What's your next premium expansion cost?

This is a pretty huge difference you're reporting, so I suspect data input problem.
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I introduced my next premium expansion price, 5600 diamonds, and the data from elven stats so I can't figure out what input problem I might have
 
palmira

palmira

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FieryArien said:
Does any of your AWs happen to be level 30+? I've heard that Elvenstats has problems counting those wonders. Does your trader claim the same amount of wonder levels as elvenstats? (If you play in the app, you can find the info in the Thrones of the High Men wonder, even if it's not built.)
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I have 2 AWs lvl 31 and just noticed my trader is counting 327 AW lvls not the 259 in elvenstats.

With the 327 AW lvs the calculated SS is now 1013
 
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palmira said:
I have 2 AWs lvl 31 and just noticed my trader is counting 327 AW lvls not the 259 in elvenstats.
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Elvenstats can't be relied on for AW levels, even if it's updated. In my city it consistently counts 20-30 less AW levels than there actually are.
 
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