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Discussion Royal Restoration Spell

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marindor, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. Syonis

    Syonis Well-Known Member

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    Thanks that you will take time and overthink the actual implementation.
    It's better to take some extra time (even if the feature is already delayed) and provide a good experience for everyone.
    I think almost everyone agrees with making it tile based and giving smaller fellowships a better experience as well but the current implementation
    steals something from one playergroup just to give another group something.
    There are many ways which can make every playergroup happy, is still balanced and generates as much money for Inno as before or maybe even more.

    This decision is the best christmas present Inno could present to me so i am very happy after the last days were very disappointing and making me losing trust in Inno.

    Thanks and merry christmas.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2018
  2. Bruce the Fierce

    Bruce the Fierce Member

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    Yes I am happy they are thinking through our feedback instead of rushing out a solution that will make many people unhappy. It has been more than 7 months since the original announcement of RR. Waiting another month or two to get a solution that satisfies most people would be fine with me.
     
  3. palmira

    palmira Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much for reconsidering :) This is indeed a great Christmas present

    Merry holidays for everybody at Inno
     
  4. Wowwie

    Wowwie Well-Known Member

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    They will review the RR and postings the RR will come back even Better
     
  5. Lovec Krys

    Lovec Krys Well-Known Member

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    @Marindor Thank you and Elvenar team for listening to your player base. This is what beta is for.
    We all hope that the reimplementation of RR will satisfy both small and big players.
     
  6. Ainor

    Ainor Well-Known Member

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    even the current tournament?
     
  7. Richord

    Richord Well-Known Member

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    @Biloutte91 Don't be mad because you aren't in a chest 10-fs. with 4 members it's indeed impossible.
    This game is partially designed to work together. Try it some time:)
    You're a big player yourself, you should be able to get the rewards that are meant to be hard to get. (but in this case far from impossible)
     
  8. Dony

    Dony King of Bugs

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    either a bug or feedback but upgrading any building which auto produce doesnt give information anywhere that timer will reset when upgrading, either there should be text below upgrade button informing us that production will reset, or pop up window similar to when you want to move 1 building from the set
     
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  9. Jasper

    Jasper Well-Known Member

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    I'm still seeing the RR Spell !? :eek:
     
  10. Dony

    Dony King of Bugs

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    i think they jsut converted it back to blueprints so nobody can use them anymore, simplier this way then to remove whole feature from game
     
  11. Marindor

    Marindor
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    Elvenar Team

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    Yes, the reverting will probably take place tomorrow morning :)
     
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  12. CiraKelley

    CiraKelley Active Member

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    I feel pretty confident that the Dev's can come up with a good compromise for all players. There have been a lot of good suggestions in this thread for those who use Blueprints.
    My group was excited to receive a few RR Spells this week. It's a fairly new fellowship (began in March) and our highest player is in the S&D chapter.
    We play Beta for fun and at our own pace, same with all of our other groups on the US and EN servers. We certainly aren't lazy. All members are active. We just aren't a 10 chest fellowship(s). I think both types of fellowships (10 chest, competitive groups and non-10 chest casual groups) are all beneficial to this game and the Inno company.
    All players enjoy the game for their own reason. I've spent a lot of money on this game, through the years. I've been playing since July 2015...I don't buy Magic buildings but I know a lot of folks who do and who enjoy them. I spend my money on other things, in game, that I want purchase, to advance through the chapters.
    It would be great if Blueprints and Restoration Spells could be separated. I know that goes against the original idea....but why not have both?
    Whatever they decide, with the help from the community, I'm sure it will all work out in the end. We've been through plenty of re-balancing and changes in this game since it began in April '15....and we're all still here, enjoying the game our own ways. :)
     
  13. Maillie

    Maillie Active Member

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    This is rather pathetic. The bigger players, or those in tournament based fellowships, get windfalls every week. They can't get enough. The KP that used to be earned as rewards were so helpful to the smaller players slogging their way through Dwarves and Orcs then was converted to AW tokens because the bigger players couldn't get enough. Now we need to take the spells away because the bigger players are sure they won't get enough. And once again the smaller players should get no rewards, because they're not big "enough". Has it occurred to anyone that for the bigger players there will never be enough?
     
  14. Marindor

    Marindor
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    Just to be clear: Please note that we're not taking away the Royal Restorations entirely forever. For now we have just reverted the implementation, so we can take enough time in the new year to reconsider the balancing before implementing a new attempt :)
     
  15. slide

    slide Member

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    I think they changed it to kp instants because people were progressing through the tree too fast. Back at the beginning there were no fellowships, no tournaments, no way of getting hundreds of kp every week and skipping through the tree, by turning them into kp instants they've slowed down the rate of progression. Its still faster than it was at the beginning as all kp earned while doing the rounds in the tournament can go to the tree, as can those we get from event buildings such as the wishing well or ferris wheel.

    Also, it isn't a case of the bigger players not getting enough.... its about the conversion rate, as a player in fairies (not a "bigger player") it would cost me the equivalent of 3 blueprints, rather than 2, to upgrade 1 magic house and 1 magic workshop from fairies to orcs...
     
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  16. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense. The game is way faster than ever. Instants, vastly improved wonders, Double the FS rewards in tournaments, Portal Profits, massively improved set buildings, the list goes on.
    Being big does not get you blueprints, it never has. Gathering a group of players who are willing to log in for 10 minutes 5 days in a row gets you a blueprint.
    Our best tournament players are under 70K score.
    Every server has fellowships that are searching players who are willing to do their 1600 points each week.
    If you aren't getting 10 chests you have no one to blame but yourself.
     
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  17. RandomNo.

    RandomNo. Member

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    All the "big player can't get enough" arguers - you're either too narrow-minded or simply do not have the mental capacity to understand that the big debate is not about:

    a) the function of RR
    b) how many RR should be given per tournament (I know, this has been brought up, but I think this is not THE big issue, at least as has been debated so far)
    c) how many RRs should be needed per event building upgrade

    There has been only one hotly debated issue: players currently holding blueprints should not be shortchanged when they are converted. It doesn't even have anything to do with size.

    Also,
    @Maillie and @Biloutte91 are examples of not small players, but players with small minds
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2018
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  18. Scoobydoo

    Scoobydoo
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    Elvenar Team

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    Now now now lets be civil and not turn this into bickering. I don't want to slap any legs but I will if needed.
    Just remember it's nice to be nice. It's gone the upset is gone (for now) so let's concentrate on telling the devs what is wanted so we can possibly get a solution to this rather than arguing between ourselves.Step forward instead of standing still ;)
     
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  19. qaccy

    qaccy Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone who complained about the RR implementation will be satisfied unless the final solution is to convert all blueprints into whatever the cost is for upgrading a magic workshop. But the problem even with that is that workshops (and residences) grow in size every two chapters, plus the fact that workshops are eventually larger than residences meaning you're technically getting more value currently from upgrading a workshop than you are from a residence on a tile basis. So the question is: how WILL everyone be satisfied with RR spells replacing blueprints? Short of some complex coding making RR rewards scale with age to account for increasing magical building sizes (and always looking at workshops to determine ratios), I don't see how it'll be possible. It sounds like people are asking for something that can't realistically happen, and the immediate result is having to wait even longer to be able to enhance event buildings that may be looking for some much-needed upgrades...
     
  20. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    10 chest tournament = 11 RR
    1 BP = 11 RR
    upgrading a magic building of any level is not tied to size, but instead is a flat 11 RR

    Poof, problem solved. Pretty much impossible to cry foul if they do that.
     
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