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Discussion Release Notes version 1.50

DeletedUser2326

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  • Also in response to player feedback, from next tournament on, Knowledge Points in end-of-tournament rewards have been replaced with an instant to donate KP in an Ancient Wonder, so you don't have to use them directly from your KP bar anymore.

I like this. It means our kp bar will not be stopped by kps earned in tournaments anymore. Wish you guys would do that for kps earned by being one of the best helpers in an AW upgrade. Bravo. :D
 

SoggyShorts

Well-Known Member
So we should be thanking SoggyShorts for this "wonderful" idea?
1. My idea was for AW rewards so that your bar didn't fill up while AFK.
2. Did you comment in that or any player suggestion thread?
3. If you get 135 KP in instants instead of 75 KP in your bar, please feel free to donate the extra 60 to me.

The suggestion I made about replacing AW rewards with KP instants (which then sparked a discussion about tournament rewards) had only a dozen players comment on it in 4 months.

Everyone, please have a look at the ideas and suggestions threads once in a while. Most ideas get fewer than 25 votes, and that is pathetic.
If you don't speak, don't expect to be heard. You know full well that once something makes it to beta it is going live "as is" 99% of the time, so your chance to have the greatest impact is here before ideas go to the devs.
 

SoggyShorts

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@Marindor
If it really is going up from 75 to 135 KP for 10 chests, then you guys really need to improve your release notes.
You should know by now that almost every change will come with a bunch of complaining, so lead with
"Fellowship KP rewards for tournaments have been increased by 80%!!!!!!!!!"
If you start with something like that, you can follow it up with just about anything and get a positive response.

All of the complaints about "My KP, I want to spend it how I want to!"
Should be answered with "Do you want 10 KP in your bar, or 18 KP in a wonder?"
 
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DeletedUser2300

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if your a guild that does only a few chests, then the inability to put those rewards in the tech tree schould be neglible, compared to the points you get daily and out of the tournament.
If your doing 8-9-10 chests each week in your guild then there ain't enough tech tree to put your knowledge points in so it's near all to wonders anyway.
In that case this change is awesome. as your not forced at the end of the tournament to be online or be unable to trade out your knowledge points with other players wonders.

Let's all get out of the let's complain to complain mode and embrace this change :D

Not complaining to complain mode because the example you have up there does not pertain to me. I have received 8-10 10 chest in my FS and only TWICE I had no where to place my kp. So no, I want my kp to put in my research and have the choice to put into wonders. Even if I only put 50 kp into researches, it is an option no? Yes.

1. My idea was for AW rewards so that your bar didn't fill up while AFK.
2. Did you comment in that or any player suggestion thread?
3. If you get 135 KP in instants instead of 75 KP in your bar, please feel free to donate the extra 60 to me.

The suggestion I made about replacing AW rewards with KP instants (which then sparked a discussion about tournament rewards) had only a dozen players comment on it in 4 months.

Everyone, please have a look at the ideas and suggestions threads once in a while. Most ideas get fewer than 25 votes, and that is pathetic.
If you don't speak, don't expect to be heard. You know full well that once something makes it to beta it is going live "as is" 99% of the time, so your chance to have the greatest impact is here before ideas go to the devs.

@Marindor
If it really is going up from 75 to 135 KP for 10 chests, then you guys really need to improve your release notes.
You should know by now that almost every change will come with a bunch of complaining, so lead with
"Fellowship KP rewards for tournaments have been increased by 80%!!!!!!!!!"
If you start with something like that you can follow it up with just about anything and get a positive response.

1: Surely did not but I read it, and your idea was not the concept provided if anything, you had a response to one of the individuals in that thread justifying why it is not a good idea. Frankly, my comment was in jest.

2: Release note said nothing about 135KP, if you can find it....point it to me. Right now all we got are the words of those who got their hands on the file somewhere. And even than, I am keeping the 60 :)

And like you mention above, if they had said something along the line of we are turning your hard earn to wonder instance only BUT there is an 80% increase!

I will be like...ok...they are entrapping me into a decision I do not want to make but they are also compensating for the situation...I will not be here posting. There is a reason my first post on here...was my FIRST post despite being registered months ago.
 

lika1961

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If you gave me an increase to 500 KP from the chests, it would make no difference. I want to decide what I do with the KP - not be forced to use it on AWs. Rush through research? Really? It would actually be funny if it wasn't so sad that you so totally don't get what actually happens in our cities. People keep saying Inno "doesn't listen" to feedback and this is an excellent example of how true that statement is.
 

SoggyShorts

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There is a reason my first post on here...was my FIRST post despite being registered months ago.
Well I hope you will post more, especially in the ideas and suggestions forums:)
Really any post there is better than nothing, as it shows that players have an opinion. Otherwise inno will just rely on their own ideas, and we have to rely on giving feedback when it's basically too late.

I find Beta players to be far too reactionary instead of being proactive.
Just look at all of the ideas that got tossed out because they had fewer than 20 total votes. The threshold for an idea to get passed on to the devs is 20 votes with 80% being "yes".
A single half decent FS should be able to push any idea they want straight through.
That AW thread got over a thousand views and only 12 players commented? Even if 90% of those views were from bots, only 1 in 10 players had anything at all to say?

Rush through research? Really? It would actually be funny if it wasn't so sad that you so totally don't get what actually happens in our cities.
There are a surprising(to me)number of players who have finished chapter 12 already, and I guarantee that they didn't get enough from tournaments and hours to get all the KP needed. That means they spent diamonds. If during the 6 months between chapters they had banked KP instants instead, that would have cost inno money.
 

DeletedUser1657

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Too many people to bother quoting.

I love how people see this as a slow down tactic, I see it as a speed up tactic. From halflings onwards it is very useful to have levels in wonders, unsure how many levels but those levels help with seed production. This helps people to be regularly investing in wonders when they are ready with a wonder they want to so they have a reasonable amount of wonder levels to not grind to a sudden stop in those later chapters. I know people already who are having to heavily invest in wonders at halflings cause they did not do wonders earlier.

Another huge benefit is the ability to store up the KP for a mass dumping into a wonder. For example I am looking forward to one of the elemental wonders (pick any wonder a chapter or 2 ahead of where you are), I can save up my instants until I have that wonder and then mass level it to the next rune level. Something I cannot do now with the exception of a specialised fellowship wonder program. Even if you have such a program there is still benefits to these instants for that situation.

The fact they have then increased the amount of KP as well is awesome and I assume some compensation for the restricted nature of the KP. Again this will only help speed things up by having more KP in wonders for better benefits and easier progress.

A player still has a lot of choice and that hasn't been removed at all. If you don't ever wish to build or level a wonder your welcome to, if you do please tell me when you reach halflings I would love to see the progress. Not sarcastic, I am genuinely interested to see someone do halflings and beyond with no wonders.

When tournaments were changed there was a lot of complaining about the reduced KP, now the KP is increased we complain again :eek: You wonder why they "don't always listen" to us (and they listen far more then they are credited for), perhaps the reason is we haven't got a clue what we want (as a collective whole, not as an individual). There are times as a collective group we speak as one voice but so often we have varied directions and that is just the english speaking forums I read not counting the other language communities with their own ideas and perspectives.

Personally I can't wait for this change on live. A huge boost to my towns bith big and small. Getting kp at all chest levels and mroe of it, simply awesome! :D
 

Dony

King of Bugs
as far as i know you can still trade AW KP instants with normal KPs as a reward from that wonder

also inno is slowly increasing KPs they are giving us, which we all wanted
 

DeletedUser724

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there doesnt exist 75 kp instant
30 KP instant is a max possible so there would be combination of smaller instants as a reward

are you the designer ?
we never know there is a 30 kp-instant
who know whether Inno push a 75 kp-instant

even a 30 kp-instant ...I do not like it as I need to "tons of works" to find a way to use it
game should be design easier for playing to play...

Personally
I prefer forum moderator find Inno to get that information

How do Inno give us those kp-reward..
I would prefer they give as a multiple of "10 kp instant" and "5-kp instant"
paying out "30 kp instant" or "75 kp instant" is just a gamble, u are gamble whether the other-side will return that amount of kp to your AW....
 

DeletedUser724

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did you missed last FS which is currently on live servers?

Hard to communicate.....

I mean .... do we know there is "30 kp instant" or even "20 kp instant"
b4 they release it

in the other words
do u know there is a 30-kp instant or 20 kp-instant b4 last Fellowship adventures
 

CrazyWizard

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Hard to communicate.....

I mean .... do we know there is "30 kp instant" or even "20 kp instant"
b4 they release it

in the other words
do u know there is a 30-kp instant or 20 kp-instant b4 last Fellowship adventures

A lot of information is aviable in the game files before you see them ingame.
 

DeletedUser724

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You dont lose anything, it just slow some people down

1st chest gives: 3 AW KP
2nd chest gives: 5 AW KP
3rd chest gives: 7 AW KP
4th chest gives: 10 AW KP
5th chest gives: 10 AW KP
6th chest gives: 15 AW KP
7th chest gives: 15 AW KP
8th chest gives: 20 AW KP
9th chest gives: 20 AW KP
10th chest gives: 30 AW KP

total of 135 KP where no matter how many chests you did till now, with new rewards its more rewarding for everybody

also i think this just a part of the things they are doing behind the scene, so while it doesnt make sense now it will make sense in a long run

Dony
Please let me know, are you 1 of Inno design team ? or you already get a answer from Inno <if yes, please state>?

you reply sounds you are the designer of Inno

I offer my comments to a amendment and the kp-instant , if the kp instant is given to player like what you describe, i would prefer

1st chest gives: 3 AW KP
2nd chest gives: 5 AW KP
3rd chest gives: 5 AW KP + 2 AW KP
4th chest gives: 10 AW KP
5th chest gives: 10 AW KP
6th chest gives: 10 AW Kp + 5 AW kp
7th chest gives: 10 AW Kp + 5 AW kp
8th chest gives: 2X 10 AW Kp
9th chest gives: 2X 10 AW Kp
10th chest gives: 3X 10 AW Kp

the max is 10 AW kp

Personally
I prefer forum moderator tell us the answer of that kp-instant as he would obtain an answer form Inno, so that we know "what is happening"
Dony, I suppose you are 1 of player, your answer is a GUESS to me
 

Dony

King of Bugs
i am normal player like you are, you can already see all rewards from chest in a game if you hover your mouse over chests, i dont see why are you so confused, the rarity of that instants are already known since we had all of them already, just do 1+1
 

SoggyShorts

Well-Known Member
Dony, I suppose you are 1 of player, your answer is a GUESS to me
@conqueror9:

Imagine you are at a restaurant and you want to know what food they have. Dony has been in the kitchen, and he has looked at the menu.
He is telling you what food they have. You are saying that because he does not work there, he is just guessing, and you want to hear it straight from the manager.
 

DeletedUser2300

Guest
Fair enough haha

Well I hope you will post more, especially in the ideas and suggestions forums:)
Really any post there is better than nothing, as it shows that players have an opinion. Otherwise inno will just rely on their own ideas, and we have to rely on giving feedback when it's basically too late.

I find Beta players to be far too reactionary instead of being proactive.
Just look at all of the ideas that got tossed out because they had fewer than 20 total votes. The threshold for an idea to get passed on to the devs is 20 votes with 80% being "yes".
A single half decent FS should be able to push any idea they want straight through.
That AW thread got over a thousand views and only 12 players commented? Even if 90% of those views were from bots, only 1 in 10 players had anything at all to say?

I hate to break it to you, but Inno is not going to come out directly and tell you things like that. There is a reason....it was not in the announcement lol. I can see where you are coming from though, just take it with a grain of salt :p

Dony
Personally
I prefer forum moderator tell us the answer of that kp-instant as he would obtain an answer form Inno, so that we know "what is happening"
Dony, I suppose you are 1 of player, your answer is a GUESS to me
 

Buttrflwr

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Sigh, I am not going to complain, I am not going to praise. I will just go with the flow on this one. I personally LIKE to use some of my KP on my tech tree occasionally, though in all honesty I usually just join the 75 kp chain. It's nice to have a choice, but it is what it is. I do hope this is a precursor to some great plan they have to increase the usefulness of some AW, as I have chosen not to build many of them. They are huge and just not worth the space, for me personally.
 
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