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Discussion Release Notes version 1.152

Marindor

Community Manager
Elvenar Team
Dear Humans and Elves,

Please see the Release Notes of our current game version here and let us hear your thoughts about it in this thread!

Kind regards,
Your Elvenar Beta Team
 

DeletedUser3840

Guest
Has anyone managed to get the new tech tree when starting a new account since the update?
 

Enevhar Aldarion

Well-Known Member
@SyreArca the update fixed the messed up tech tree issue, but not the other issues that were happening before the tech tree bug happened. Specifically going into the game and it saying everything has to be researched before it can be upgraded, or even built at level 1, including all starter buildings such as the residence. A reload of the game gets it to work correctly again, but since this happened several times in the 12 hours my new Beta city was in existence before the tech tree bug happened on Friday morning, I am worried that bug will happen again.
 

eltina

Well-Known Member
If it first possible to take tournament from chapter 4 And spire in chapter 5.
sorry to say to all new player.
you must be in chapter 5 before you Can get in FS ;-(
 

CrazyWizard

Well-Known Member
If it first possible to take tournament from chapter 4 And spire in chapter 5.
sorry to say to all new player.
you must be in chapter 5 before you Can get in FS ;-(
Why would you need to wait to chapter 5? there is if you refuse there are so many, and you can always start your own.
 

Enevhar Aldarion

Well-Known Member
so, with the new "bginning", you're unable to disenchant anything, and you cannot enter the spire for a long time = events aren't going very far

Right. Crafting has to be researched in chapter 3 and Spire in chapter 5, so no fragments or CCs or VVs until then. My new test city has needed 400 fragments for an event quest for about a week and I just opened chapter 3 there and not likely to research crafting until after the event ends.
 

CrazyWizard

Well-Known Member
I'm testing the new tech tree as a pure caterer meaning no barracks. I keep being roadblocked by quests demanding a upgrade a barracks which I don't have out. All quests dealing with upgrading pf barracks can't be declined until after you reach the next chapter advanced scouts. Apparently they want all newbies to fight and then give up since fighting in these chapters are difficult you don't hit easy again until late chapter 5 or chapter 6. everything is either medium to very hard battles to fight. Especially when you take in that no one will be using the MA much until after spire is unlocked and have less of a relic boost from unlocking tournament in the middle of chapter 4.

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Thats your problem, you decide to ignore part of the base game, so your problem.
 

Laurelin-Beta

Well-Known Member
One could provide the same rationale - i.e. that neglecting some/any of the base game either will or may probably lead to negative consequences - with any such consequences being the responsibility of the player alone - about almost ANY of the game's features, from general base-game concepts such as AWs and the Magic Academy, to [arguably] optional elements such as Tournaments, or even FSs. However, Inno has increasingly altered the game's fundamental mechanics in such a way that not only are the original base game elements more or less essential, but so too, now, are some of its still allegedly optional add-on components such as the Spire. And to take that as an example: yes, a player can choose to ignore it, but the advantages of NOT doing so are many, and very significant (ranging from being able to join most high-performance FSs to being able to engage usefully in Crafting - which itself is another initially 'optional' element which can no longer really be regarded as such).

It's unrealistic, to say the least, to expect any new player, in any game, to have the depth of knowledge which even mid-stage players have acquired, let alone the typically very experienced players who frequent this Forum. How is a player even to know what the base game actually comprises, until they have played for a while, let alone what effect(s) may result from ignoring parts of that base game - especially nowadays, when most mobile games are, unlike Elvenar, very simplistic indeed, and also frequently designed to 'railroad' all players into effectively following one single path anyway, regardless of any superficial appearance of player choice.

And furthermore : regardless of one's personal viewpoint on pure/combined Fighting/Catering City builds, Inno themselves very obviously promote one of Elvenar's main features as being the player's freedom to choose to Fight OR Cater, whether or not they also refer to combined builds somewhere (and I'm not about to research all of Inno's PR material to find out). There's little ambiguity on this in any of Inno's marketing or game descriptions which I have read, though, in such prominent locations as Facebook and the Google Play Store (which is all many new players will ever read), nor any discussion of this strategic choice (again, to my knowledge) in the Tutorial, the main game, the Wiki, or anywhere else.

In my opinion, therefore if anyone needs to adjust the way in which Elvenar's base game (and/or its 'add-on' components) are presented, regarded, and understood, especially a non-basic concept such as the Fight/Cater build strategy, it's Inno, not its players - whether new or not.
 

Enevhar Aldarion

Well-Known Member
Same punishment should be applied to players that opt for not advancing in the chapters (as they are also deciding to ignore part of the base game)?

Of course. There should not be a "one true way" to play the game that avoids all possible negatives. If there was, then that way would be too boring, like just spending diamonds to avoid all the hard stuff.
 

Laurelin-Beta

Well-Known Member
There should not be a "one true way" to play the game that avoids all possible negatives. If there was, then that way would be too boring, like just spending diamonds to avoid all the hard stuff.
Good point - the main problem with far too many F2P games is that those who pay [enough to 'rush' the whole game] do indeed, in many cases, find the game growing very dull as a direct result. Meanwhile, the non- or lower-paying players, who will, the developers hope, provide those who do pay [more] with the necessary competition, companionship, and/or underlying elements which the game itself fundamentally requires - in Elvenar, for example, regular Trade would be a useful example - often find themselves equally bored, sooner or later, because so many mobile games, in particular, either become an extremely slow grind, or are, in any case, lacking in any real strategic or other type of player choice.

It's no fun for most players, after all - and whether one has paid to get there or not - to be doing little else but near-passively 'operating' just one of a thousand Cities (or whatever the game's about) which are, for all intents and purposes, near-identical clones of each other.

I think most of us would agree that while Elvenar isn't ever going to be a mobile/browser version of Sim City or similar (and nor does it attempt to be, either), it does represent a quite rare chance, these days, to enjoy an online social gaming experience while also playing in one's own way, within a strategic framework which has many - probably infinite - ways for any given player to succeed; it's a marked and welcome exception to the far more prevalent, and far more dull and uninspiring, core game structure now so common in mobile gaming, which can largely can be summed up as 'Different player name, same underlying City/Farm/Army Base/etc.', regardless of any superficial differences in graphics, add-on elements, etc.

In fact, it's not only because I generally dislike being 'forced' to follow or avoid any given course of action, in any game at all, but specifically because I feel that Elvenar's strategic versatility is its most important particular strength that I would argue that NO player - no matter how determinedly they may choose to resist the game's 'most sensible' or even 'developer-preferred' strategies - should be directly penalised for any choice they might make. After all, isn't the very fact that it is so much harder to play the game against its primary in-game 'rules', if you like, as well as against its inherent 'spirit', too, enough of a penalty in itself? - with the very important difference of self-imposition by the player without external coercion.

And to relate all of this largely theoretical argument back to the ongoing early-Chapter changes : in respect of maintaining or even strengthening Elvenar's fundamentally vital breadth of player freedom of strategic choice - whatever that choice may be, and however other players may view it - I certainly hope that the incoming early-Chapter changes are NOT a warning sign of typical mobile app-style 'railroading' entering the game.
 

PrimroseSylvia

Well-Known Member
It's unrealistic, to say the least, to expect any new player, in any game, to have the depth of knowledge which even mid-stage players have acquired
Indeed, it's the same "logic" Inno is using in other games (for example, team explorations in Sunrise Village). I think that let players learn and test the game is a good idea; too many times I've found players who even don't know what a boosted good was, just because they joined a FS where nothing were teached but "forced" to do points (tournament and spire overall, just feeding them with good because for newbies is really cheaper).
 

DeletedUser4055

Guest
I only grabbed a screenshot of the barracks stop gate there was one with the amount of residences needed (18) and another with how many workshops are needed (8). When I saw the residence quest my first thoughts were of rise of cultures, it makes sense there to have quests increasing the amount of certain buildings who are suppose to have, every building keeps it original footprint. Not so, with elvenar each new research of buildings unlocks a new bigger size building. You can’t delete the big buildings i.e MH, MA, barracks, trader and builder hut. You now also can’t decrease the amount of residences or workshops you have. The only thing you can delete from your cities are the factories.
 

DeletedUser3726

Guest
Good point - the main problem with far too many F2P games is that those who pay [enough to 'rush' the whole game] do indeed, in many cases, find the game growing very dull as a direct result. Meanwhile, the non- or lower-paying players, who will, the developers hope, provide those who do pay [more] with the necessary competition, companionship, and/or underlying elements which the game itself fundamentally requires - in Elvenar, for example, regular Trade would be a useful example - often find themselves equally bored, sooner or later, because so many mobile games, in particular, either become an extremely slow grind, or are, in any case, lacking in any real strategic or other type of player choice.

It's no fun for most players, after all - and whether one has paid to get there or not - to be doing little else but near-passively 'operating' just one of a thousand Cities (or whatever the game's about) which are, for all intents and purposes, near-identical clones of each other.

I think most of us would agree that while Elvenar isn't ever going to be a mobile/browser version of Sim City or similar (and nor does it attempt to be, either), it does represent a quite rare chance, these days, to enjoy an online social gaming experience while also playing in one's own way, within a strategic framework which has many - probably infinite - ways for any given player to succeed; it's a marked and welcome exception to the far more prevalent, and far more dull and uninspiring, core game structure now so common in mobile gaming, which can largely can be summed up as 'Different player name, same underlying City/Farm/Army Base/etc.', regardless of any superficial differences in graphics, add-on elements, etc.

In fact, it's not only because I generally dislike being 'forced' to follow or avoid any given course of action, in any game at all, but specifically because I feel that Elvenar's strategic versatility is its most important particular strength that I would argue that NO player - no matter how determinedly they may choose to resist the game's 'most sensible' or even 'developer-preferred' strategies - should be directly penalised for any choice they might make. After all, isn't the very fact that it is so much harder to play the game against its primary in-game 'rules', if you like, as well as against its inherent 'spirit', too, enough of a penalty in itself? - with the very important difference of self-imposition by the player without external coercion.

And to relate all of this largely theoretical argument back to the ongoing early-Chapter changes : in respect of maintaining or even strengthening Elvenar's fundamentally vital breadth of player freedom of strategic choice - whatever that choice may be, and however other players may view it - I certainly hope that the incoming early-Chapter changes are NOT a warning sign of typical mobile app-style 'railroading' entering the game.
I really like and appreciate your contributions to discussions. Very well reasoned and written.
 

DeletedUser3726

Guest
I only grabbed a screenshot of the barracks stop gate there was one with the amount of residences needed (18) and another with how many workshops are needed (8). When I saw the residence quest my first thoughts were of rise of cultures, it makes sense there to have quests increasing the amount of certain buildings who are suppose to have, every building keeps it original footprint. Not so, with elvenar each new research of buildings unlocks a new bigger size building. You can’t delete the big buildings i.e MH, MA, barracks, trader and builder hut. You now also can’t decrease the amount of residences or workshops you have. The only thing you can delete from your cities are the factories.
Wait.. You can't delete residences or workshops? Seriously?
 
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