Answered mana bonus & maze

[spennyit]

@cirakelley Thank you for your feedback - sorry that the handling of this thread could be interpreted as concerning or rude.
We always try to give an answer that is both satisfactory and correct, which can unfortunately fail, as you see in this thread.

The feedback given from players is being forwarded constantly, not only because it's our job here to do that, but also because the feedback is highly appreciated by those who take part in creating new features that they hope are both creating the effect they want, while also improving the player experience.
It was really not our intention to give anyone the feeling that we not care for any kind of feedback - it's just that we want the feedback to have the visibility it deserves:
A discussion that is about a certain feature has its place in the dedicated thread, while the Questions and Help section is the place for inquiries that are could've been send to the support team instead. In fact, with the Questions and Help section, we hope that players find the answer to their question in the forum. This is beneficial for both the supporters who all volunteer as players themselves to help other players.
At the same time, we ask players who submits their feedback to the support team to share their feedback in the forum instead, so that it can become a part of a discussion.
That's why we decided to quote this thread here in the Cauldron discussion thread for any further discussion about the Cauldron.
We hope for understanding for this decision.

The Labirinth produces mana (as per its description in the wiki, so INNO is stating officially that it is a "production building"). If it is not classified as a "production building" this is a bug as INNO is contraddicting itself!

 

[Amy Steele]

Hi folks, I'd like to take some time to clear up the confusion which exists for some players regarding exactly what is a 'production' building, and what is not.

All buildings in Elvenar are categorised. Some are Residential (those which provide population, and/or coins). Some are Culture (Those which provide happiness for your population, and which in later chapters also provide Mana). Then there are Goods buildings (which give you Goods!), Workshops (which give you Supplies) and Military buildings (where you can train Military units). All of these 'produce' something, and most give you something you can collect - whether Goods, military units or Coins... yet not all of them are actually 'production' buildings. You can see all the main buildings in their respective categories on the Wiki Buildings page. In fact the only building I have listed so far which is strictly categorised as a 'production' building is the Workshop!

Similarly, Ancient Wonders are in their own category. Even though the Wiki tends to use the word 'produces' for some of them for the items they provide you with, this does not mean they are categorised as 'production buildings'.

Event buildings (those you win from special events) tend not to have a category of their own, but rather are categorised by what their primary function is... whether that is to provide population and/or coins, or culture. Any additional items they provide such as Goods or Mana do not define their category. These buildings are therefore mostly either Culture or Residential (or indeed can be both). They may therefore be boosted by the same spells and Cauldron boosts which apply to - for example - your standard Culture buildings which also provide Mana for you to collect.

Put simply, not all buildings which 'produce' something are production buildings. In fact the Wiki often uses another word when it comes to special buildings like Ancient Wonders. Of the Maze of the Dark Matter it specifically says this 'generates' Mana. Of other Ancient Wonders, sometimes the word 'provides' is used. The original question here was about the situation right now, and for right now, these buildings (AWs) do not get boosted by Cauldron, though whether that situation will stay the same remains to be seen.

 

[Biloutte91]

Basically, most bonuses should not apply anywhere ^^

 

[DeletedUser4239]

All buildings in Elvenar are categorised. Some are Residential (those which provide population, and/or coins). Some are Culture (Those which provide happiness for your population, and which in later chapters also provide Mana). Then there are Goods buildings (which give you Goods!), Workshops (which give you Supplies) and Military buildings (where you can train Military units). All of these 'produce' something, and most give you something you can collect - whether Goods, military units or Coins... yet not all of them are actually 'production' buildings. You can see all the main buildings in their respective categories on the Wiki Buildings page. In fact the only building I have listed so far which is strictly categorised as a 'production' building is the Workshop!

This is very condescending and belittling....and still doesn't help with the confusion or frustration. We do know what general buildings do. Why the need to be so defensive here? This really doesn't help. I don't think any further mod reply was needed here, after the CM response.

It would be up to INNO to remove the word "produce" from their game and Wiki site since it is causing so much confusion. It's not our fault. Instead of the current mod replies, how about seeing the true problem here and working on improving the issue(s) at hand instead.
Open communication and understanding really helps everyone.
I don't mean to nag you guys so often lately but until there is some more understanding and willingness to work with us, I'm going to keep responding and explaining the frustrations from the community's side.
If something in our town says it produces/or states its production time and you make a cauldron spell/effect for that specific wording to get a cauldron boost, then we would obviously expect to get a bonus on those buildings that say they "produce". Again, the wording is not our mistake. It causes too much confusion and hassle.

Here you specifically show that Ancient Wonders don't count for Enar's Boon. This spell says: " Increases your production of mana. This is only applied on produced resources, *not on spells or any other effects, like Set Bonuses*. (see above)
Then, @Biloutte91 shows a screenshot of the Wise Golem, where it specifically shows its production time.
You answer that (obviously) the Wise Golem isn't an Ancient Wonder. It's an event building so the Cauldron boost does not apply.
But then you parenthesize that because it is a stand alone event building, and not part of a set, that is why they are not receiving the bonus...but sets are also excluded from this boost. The wording is very confusing, throughout each reply given in this thread.

Similarly, Ancient Wonders are in their own category. Even though the Wiki tends to use the word 'produces' for some of them for the items they provide you with, this does not mean they are categorised as 'production buildings'.

The fact that this is something that has to be explained is INNO's fault. Of course players are going to be confused about all of this.
The devs are very particular with what we can/can't have these days and the way they've chosen to move forward makes no sense with how this game was run in the past.
It's complicated and confusing now. Who wants to take the time to really pick apart the wording from the wiki and other areas of the game to see what applies or doesn't?!
Make this game easier and more user friendly. The Cauldron is a nightmare that needs more instruction. Look at the break down formulas in the Cauldron Discussion Thread. Thank goodness we have players willing to do this for the community, but most players are not going to take the time or have the patience to figure all of this out. We just want to enjoy our building game.
This game is becoming strict nonsense that does not motivate a player to play Elvenar. In fact, it is becoming more frustrating, stingy and confusing.
I really don't think we need moderator break down explanations in situations like these. It still isn't acceptable, if you are explaining the difference between produce and productions. It's still wrong that the devs or whoever decided that these already awful cauldron boosts don't count towards half of the buildings in someone's town. This is a shady practice done by whoever came up with Cauldron effects and what they do (and mostly don't) apply to. Please get behind your players on this forum. We are all begging for help in these threads lately.

 

[spennyit]

Hi folks, I'd like to take some time to clear up the confusion which exists for some players regarding exactly what is a 'production' building, and what is not.

All buildings in Elvenar are categorised. Some are Residential (those which provide population, and/or coins). Some are Culture (Those which provide happiness for your population, and which in later chapters also provide Mana). Then there are Goods buildings (which give you Goods!), Workshops (which give you Supplies) and Military buildings (where you can train Military units). All of these 'produce' something, and most give you something you can collect - whether Goods, military units or Coins... yet not all of them are actually 'production' buildings. You can see all the main buildings in their respective categories on the Wiki Buildings page. In fact the only building I have listed so far which is strictly categorised as a 'production' building is the Workshop!

Similarly, Ancient Wonders are in their own category. Even though the Wiki tends to use the word 'produces' for some of them for the items they provide you with, this does not mean they are categorised as 'production buildings'.

Event buildings (those you win from special events) tend not to have a category of their own, but rather are categorised by what their primary function is... whether that is to provide population and/or coins, or culture. Any additional items they provide such as Goods or Mana do not define their category. These buildings are therefore mostly either Culture or Residential (or indeed can be both). They may therefore be boosted by the same spells and Cauldron boosts which apply to - for example - your standard Culture buildings which also provide Mana for you to collect.

Put simply, not all buildings which 'produce' something are production buildings. In fact the Wiki often uses another word when it comes to special buildings like Ancient Wonders. Of the Maze of the Dark Matter it specifically says this 'generates' Mana. Of other Ancient Wonders, sometimes the word 'provides' is used. The original question here was about the situation right now, and for right now, these buildings (AWs) do not get boosted by Cauldron, though whether that situation will stay the same remains to be seen.

So give us the link in the wiki where we can find the complete and precise list of production buildings, otherwise INNO is just cheating us!!!

 

[Dorfl the Clay]

This is very condescending and belittling....

Don't knock it! If a moderator is willing to take the time to - extensively - explain an issue that (apparantly!) has been confusing for several players, it can only be appreciated and should not be frowned upon.. There were many players asking questions about the subject, so it seems not every player has the same knowledge or apprehension abilities that you have.. if you experience it as "condescending and belittling" it says more about you than about the intentions of the moderator