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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marindor, Jun 18, 2018.

  1. Loki Blue

    Loki Blue Well-Known Member

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    That's one of the issues with this change-over...all those old tweaks that used to work go right out the window. :(
     
  2. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    I wish the game devs would tell us what computers they use so when I am forced to switch to HTML5 and my HD fails from crashing so much, I'll know what my next computer should be.
     
  3. Karvest

    Karvest Well-Known Member

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    My i5-4750 with 8Gb RAM seems working fine with html5. But I still prefer how game looks in flash version.
     
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  4. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    Do you have Windows 10 too? Flash player is integrated into Windows 10. Maybe that's the problem. I have two flash players running at the same time if I activate HTML5. I don't know how to remove flash player from Windows 10 and not so sure that's a wise thing to do.
     
  5. Elrondriel

    Elrondriel Well-Known Member

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    I just made a little test on my secondary "snail machine": i3-3220 (Quad-Core), 8GB RAM, GT710 GPU, Win7 64bit, FF Quantum 60.

    Both in HTML and Flash, RAM usage is at the same level and constant (+/- 5%), no matter whether I'm idle in the game or doing some activities (I loaded 20 neighbour towns each).

    I only see a big difference in CPU usage: in Flash mode, idle level is at 5%, while it is at 15-20% in HTML5. Peaks going up during activity are also slighly lower in Flash (+/-5% less than in HTML5), in both cases max. 50%. Although not critical, I don't really like this HTML5 behaviour - why should I waste more energy in idle state ?

    Also noticed now that graphics problem on HTML5 in OPERA are still there like since the beginning: there seems to be a milky layer all over the screen. This is NOT the case in Firefox !

    Besides CPU and RAM: is there a different behaviour of Flash vs. HTML5 in terms of transfer of workload to the GPU ? If that is the case, one should also have a look at the graphics card used (integrated or separate) and the amount of allocated main or additonal own RAM ?

    EDIT: Exactly same happening on my i7-2670 (Octa-Core) with 8GB RAM, but with lower absolute values. RAM constant, only CPU usage higher on HTML5 than Flash.
     
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  6. Jasper

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    I'm pretty sure W10 doesn't have Flash integrated, that would be very stupid to do from Microsoft.
    That's very strange: why would HTML5 run Flash player ? Are you sure you're looking at the right process ? Flash player itself doesn't really show in process list so how do you know you have 2 running ? :confused: The only way I see Firefox is using Flash is because of the plugin-container.exe process being a child process from firefox.exe. If I switch to HTML5 that process is gone.
     
  7. Karvest

    Karvest Well-Known Member

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    Windows 10 have flash player integrated into IE and EDGE. HTML5 mode is available only on chrome-based browsers and firefox, which have nothing to do with that flash player. They have their own flash player plugins.
     
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  8. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. This brings up another question. Then why is it when I activate HTML5 and use Opera on my home computer and Chrome on my work computer, they both will have "Out of Memory" messages and the game freezes constantly. But if I turn off HTML5, I don't see anymore messages telling me I'm out of memory. My home computer is a gaming laptop and my work computer is a high-tech PC with loads of RAM and HD space, both have Windows 10 installed as the OS.
     
  9. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    It is integrated. When I first had to install the Flash player to play FoE, I couldn't install it because a message popped up and said "Flash Player is integrated in Windows 10."
     
  10. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    So what you're saying is HTML5 is not a flash player program, even though it will replace flash player. I didn't know that. Thanks.
     
  11. Karvest

    Karvest Well-Known Member

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    May be you have some plugins or user java scripts installed, that interfere with game scripts.
    Also, are you using up to date 64bit version of these browsers? if not - try installing 64bit/updating browser.
     
  12. Jasper

    Jasper Well-Known Member

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    HTML5 and Flash are 2 completely different things.
    HTML5 is a markup language used for structuring and presenting content.

    Adobe Flash is a deprecated multimedia software platform used for production of animations, rich Internet applications, desktop applications, mobile applications, mobile games and embedded web browser video players.

    HTML5 should be handle by the browser itself while Flash needs an extra program to function.
     
  13. Loki Blue

    Loki Blue Well-Known Member

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    All of the information on the site links I provided back on the 13th explain what HTML5 is. :confused:

     
  14. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    When we have to switch over to HTML5, how do we remove Adobe Flash Player that's integrated in Windows 10? If two programs are running in the background and we only use one, that will use up more computer resources.
    The "Out of Memory messages and the game freezing only happens when I activate HTML5. There are no problems using Adobe Flash Player.
     
  15. Karvest

    Karvest Well-Known Member

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    flash player is running only if you have open browser window with some site using it.
    In Flash mode game runs in it's own space, and version of browser/installed plugins can't interfere with it. In html5 mode all those plugins start to inspect game code and inject their functions in it. Also if your browser is 32bit - game in html5 mode can run out of memory (which is limited for 32bit processes) by it's own.
     
  16. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    I have Windows 10 Home 64-Bit gaming laptop so I still don't understand why I receive "Out of Memory" messages when using HTML5. When I deactivate it, I can play the game fine with no memory loss.
     
  17. Karvest

    Karvest Well-Known Member

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    64bit windows is good, but are you sure your chrome/opera/whatever you use to play this game is 64 bit too?
     
  18. Electra Firestorm

    Electra Firestorm Well-Known Member

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    Aye, Opera is also 64bit.
     
  19. Jackluyt

    Jackluyt Well-Known Member

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    Could someone please explain how in HTML5, one can copy text from the Chat Box or Messages, so you can Paste it somewhere else?
    Thanks!
    :) :)
     
  20. Scoobydoo

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    @Jackluyt unfortunately that feature is not available in HTML at this time but it has been forwarded as feedback to the team that a lot of players are asking for this feature to be added :)
     
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