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Discussion Release Notes version 1.113
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iDavis
Well-Known Member
I´m very glad to see balancing changes around Moon bear based on our feedback. Didn´t see new numbers yet, but it´s definitely a great step forward and maybe now it´s moon bear more comparable to last year.
Second point - separating unit production queues - I really hope there is no catch with some "unannounced" balancing changes of decreasing production amounts in these buildings..
Second point - separating unit production queues - I really hope there is no catch with some "unannounced" balancing changes of decreasing production amounts in these buildings..
DeepTerminal
Active Member
This patch does two interesting things -
- The changes to the Moon Bear focuses more on providing KPs, which in a way addresses and compensates for the nerf to KP gain in the tourney system. But of course, for high-end tourney players, it's nowhere enough.
- Separating training queues for Barracks, Training Ground, and Merc Camp closes the gap a little bit between those who have the Brown Bear and those who don't. But it's also not enough.
Angeduciel
Well-Known Member
Really looking forward these changes: separate queues for the 3 military training buildings finally!!! and a more appealing moon bear.
Ursus Major
Well-Known Member
Two réactions
The first one is thanks : to be able to train all our units separately is a great improvement.
For the moon bear... pffff.... really ? No it's not serious. 3000 of each only when every kind of others building offers around 6000 ? And what effect when we feed it ! No... Still not interested on building it. Why not giving us a bear or a building that offer us pet food ? or other things rare.
I will not push my fellowships to built it that's for sure !
It is possible that inno create in the magic academy or in a new kind of trader, a place where we can exchange all our artefact... in other ones ?
thanks for al
The first one is thanks : to be able to train all our units separately is a great improvement.
For the moon bear... pffff.... really ? No it's not serious. 3000 of each only when every kind of others building offers around 6000 ? And what effect when we feed it ! No... Still not interested on building it. Why not giving us a bear or a building that offer us pet food ? or other things rare.
I will not push my fellowships to built it that's for sure !
It is possible that inno create in the magic academy or in a new kind of trader, a place where we can exchange all our artefact... in other ones ?
thanks for al
Lovec Krys
Well-Known Member
Separated queues: What about orc requirements for orcs units?
Without removing them, end game cities (and not only them) are basicaly prevented from training 2 of 5 units in the Training grounds.
Without removing them, end game cities (and not only them) are basicaly prevented from training 2 of 5 units in the Training grounds.
Nemisis
Active Member
None, as far as I can see, same troop size, same time...except with all 3 queues running, your supplies will quickly run out...but if i am wrong, someone will correct me
Pauly7
Well-Known Member
In that case that is awesome... we just need to manage the supplies issue.
My opinion on the changes to the bear is not positive, although I am happy they have made changes based on feedback. The feeding effect is still in no way attractive. How many people will consider selling a pet food for 9KP? I suspect not many. If it were 10KP per NH help chest then you might make it interesting, but I still would use that so infrequently that it wouldn't be good reason to build it.
I know that everyone has different opinions and needs, but the one reason I may find to build the bear is if it was giving me healthy amounts of coins and supplies to aid with catering/negotiation costs, but these are the things that have been removed. Extra pop is nice, if they have increased it enough that it works as a good culture/pop building in its own right. for those short on population.
Lovec Krys
Well-Known Member
DeletedUser1953
Guest
Yes we have now a supplies issue ^^ but we can build more workshops ^^ The problem with orc strategist is not resolved, it is pending from a long time (not enough orc to launch this production and i think 6 armories + multiple event buildings is already too much !).
Before Moon << Brown, now Moon << Brown ^^
Before Moon << Brown, now Moon << Brown ^^
Potvorisko
Well-Known Member
I really like both changes. Now I will proudly place moon Bear in my city
Deleted User - 87976
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Separating the queues is a terrible change in my opinion. Not only because of the orcs requirements, but I'm betting that now the devs in future balancing changes would expect us to have three times more troops. And it's not like all the extra troops we will be producing are equally useful.
Not to mention that now all three AWs for each type of barracks are mandatory. And this comes together with punishing for having too many AW levels and with nerfing the KP income from the tournaments.
Not to mention that now all three AWs for each type of barracks are mandatory. And this comes together with punishing for having too many AW levels and with nerfing the KP income from the tournaments.
Pauly7
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Giving instants would be better. My May Trees each give me 2-2.5m coins per day. I would call that healthy because it far exceeds what a residence can give me, even a Magic Residence. My Phoenixes each give me just under 2m in 48 hours. That makes them worth it for coins alone. I don't need half max capacity... that would be insane, haha... but if a 9 square bear was giving me 750k of coins per day then I would build it for this purpose.
Disclaimer - My culture bonus is usually knocking on around 300%.
Alcaro
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around 2600 orcs, but I think it's related to other aspects too. I am in ch.16, training gr. lvl. 24, SS 2721 (not sure which of those parameters are related to prod). I hope it helps a bit.
Deleted User - 87976
Guest
1 orc = 1 unit. Simia improves that a bit, but still it's too expensive to maintain, especially with the squads of 10k+ in later provinces.
Lovec Krys
Well-Known Member
@Pauly7 Considering how many units are in squads and how many squads are usualy needed, we are easily talking about hundreds of thousands orcs, while max. daily orc production in a single Armory is 3200/day and many orcs are needed for other game aspects (negotiating Spire/Tourney, upgrading buildings, produce settlement goods in certain chapters...).
iDavis
Well-Known Member
I don't care much about expensive orc units. There is one building in MA producing them, I have 3 of them and together with brown bears it pretty much handle all requirments for my spire (in tourneys I'm using mercenary camp units only).
As allowed training units elsewhere, my training grounds will mostly run for dogs and barracks for mages.
As allowed training units elsewhere, my training grounds will mostly run for dogs and barracks for mages.